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charles Lounge Lizard
Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 179 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Xela wrote: | | Dumb question. And I fail to see how India has influenced Liverpool |
I was referring to some musicians who were from Liverpool...
Everybody in the West knows what a sitar is, thanks to the Beatles. Would you deny that the Beatles were influenced by their visit to India? It's a small, and perhaps insignificant example in your eyes, but nonetheless - influence.
By the way, it's called a "rhetorical" question. |
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Fire_Goddess Guest
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah Ravi Shankar is that Sitarist. |
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Fire_Goddess Guest
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey did anyone else know that Norah Jones was Ravi Shankars daughter? |
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MrSpice Lounge Wizard
Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 3436
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Fire_Goddess wrote: | | Hey did anyone else know that Norah Jones was Ravi Shankars daughter? |
I did know that. I also know that except for one good hit song, Norah Jones has not produced anything interesting in a while. |
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Xela VIP
Joined: 06 Jul 2005 Posts: 781 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I was referring to some musicians who were from Liverpool...
Everybody in the West knows what a sitar is, thanks to the Beatles. Would you deny that the Beatles were influenced by their visit to India? It's a small, and perhaps insignificant example in your eyes, but nonetheless - influence.
By the way, it's called a "rhetorical" question. |
Rhetorical maybe, pointless definately.
If the Beatles didn't play a sitar on their album, do you honestly think it would still be an undiscovered instrument in some remote part of India?
Every culture has it's token influences these days. I'm talking about direct influences that are backed up by science and history, not by people who obviously spend little time reading up on it |
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charles Lounge Lizard
Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 179 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Xela wrote: | | I'm talking about direct influences that are backed up by science and history.... |
Can you give a few examples of what you're talking about? |
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Xela VIP
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:30 am Post subject: |
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Charles,
Religion wise, it is important to realise that all Proto-Slavs and even Slavs pagan beliefs are deeply rooted in Persian Zoroastrianism.
Ask any true Slav pagan who knows what they are talking about, and he/she will tell you the truth.
Language wise, all Slavic languages have their roots in the Iranian branch of the Indo-European languages.
Also, the Scythians and Sarmatians were Iranians and they are generally considered to have made a large contribution to the modern Slavs.
http://www.answers.com/topic/slavs
Unfortunately people get confused with the 'Indo' part of Indo European, and think that it means India.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_people
The term "Indo-Europeans" does not usually refer to speakers of various Indo-European languages in historical times: linguists usually refer to such people specifically as Anatolians, Tocharians, Indo-Aryans, Iranians, Greeks, Celts, Italic peoples, Germanic peoples, Baltic peoples, Slavic peoples, Armenians, Albanians (or subdivisions of these terms).
All languages originally stemmed from the Proto-Indo-Iranian branch of dialect, and this is why I denounce any direct Indian language link on the Proto-Slavic people.
Proto-Slavs are Iranians. |
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vitalsigns Lounge Wizard
Joined: 25 Dec 2004 Posts: 2784
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| charles wrote: | | Xela wrote: | | I'm talking about direct influences that are backed up by science and history.... |
Can you give a few examples of what you're talking about? |
Answering for Xela: "Well, it's like Russia used to be one big Caucasus back in 1021. And actually, the land of Rus was once the land of Chech if you know what I am talking about.
So, if do not know this, there's no way you can understand what I am talking about.
Sincerely, Xela". |
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Xela VIP
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:53 am Post subject: |
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Don't try to discredit my last post, vitalsigns.
I've outlined my case and it's shrouded in fact.
Link after link of reputable information can be found that shows that the Proto-Slav religion, language and geneology comes from the Iranian people, not Indian or Chech or others. |
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surfguy Lounge Wizard
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| Ancient Iranians are descended from aryians just as most europeans are. But Iranians from way long ago did not look like they do today. But aryians are not descended from Iranians-and there is a huge difference. The true RUS are descended from Aryians but not from Iranians-so lets keep that clear. There is no connection. This course in history is very complicated and would take up too much time to explain it all and one would have to really know the subject to even comprehend the migration of our worlds people to grasp the whole picture |
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charles Lounge Lizard
Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 179 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| Xela wrote: | | Charles.......this is why I denounce any direct Indian language link on the Proto-Slavic people. |
Xela, thanks for the answer. I simply didn't understand why you so passionately denounced that India influenced the West (or in particular, Slavic people).
Alas, I'm so ignorant on the topic of racial purity. Before today, I never heard the term "Proto-Slav". I'm just an American mutt (actually, a Germanic barbarian mutt) and I couldn't care less about the topic. I thought that the only people who got so emotionally involved in the discusion of Aryan origins were, well.... never mind.
So, I won't dispute your claims about Indo-european language origins, but it certainly can't be denied that India has influenced the world in many other ways. India is a fantastic country, and Indians are wonderful people. Isn't it interesting that prawn vindaloo and lamb ghosht are practically the UK's national cuisine, while in India you'll be hard-pressed to find any evidence that the Brits ever ruled there? (besides the widespread use of English of course). |
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Xela VIP
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: |
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surfguy,
| Quote: | | Ancient Iranians are descended from aryians just as most europeans are. But Iranians from way long ago did not look like they do today. But aryians are not descended from Iranians-and there is a huge difference. The true RUS are descended from Aryians but not from Iranians-so lets keep that clear. There is no connection. This course in history is very complicated and would take up too much time to explain it all and one would have to really know the subject to even comprehend the migration of our worlds people to grasp the whole picture |
You know little about RUS to say what you just did. RUS are Slavic tribes mixed with Nordic ones and RUS, for your information, do not encompass all the Slavs by a long shot.. Just the ones in a certain area(interestingly an area in FSU, not Russia).
The Iranians from 'way long ago' didn't look too dissimilar from those of today which you would have known if you knew your history, so no, there's not really a huge difference at all.
In any event Iranians look far more Aryan/Proto-Slavic then any Indian does/ever did.
Hence why Iran translates as 'Land of the Aryans' and India translates as 'Land of the Hindus'. Hence why the number of times Persia has taken over India has been countless and the number of times India has taken over Persia has been absolutely zero.
So please take a little time and explain what you mean next time rather than saying that's not how it is and then running away.
charles,
I agree that India has influenced the world in certain ways, but this does not include Russia. Russians have lots of direct links to the Iranian language, religion, culture and geneology, and if there are any similarities between Russia and India it is through Iran. Always has been and always will be so I wish all these posters who know little of history would just take their rubbish with them as they leave.
And whilst I don't doubt that curry has more or less become the national cuisine of Britain, I don't think it's true that you'll be hard pressed to find evidence of British rule.
Pakistan and Bangladesh being two such examples. |
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MrSpice Lounge Wizard
Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 3436
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Xela: Aren't you getting too heave with all those ethnic references? What is it, a scientific conference? |
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Xela VIP
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Xela: Aren't you getting too heave with all those ethnic references? What is it, a scientific conference? |
You know maybe I am getting a little heavy on ethnic references, Spice. But it's better this than having lots of lies spread about Russian's true ethnic roots. |
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surfguy Lounge Wizard
Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6996
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Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Xela-first off I did not reference Hindus or Indians at all. 2nd-when I was in Iran I re-confirmed what I new of Iranians and trust me there is a lot of Arab features in most present day Iranians. And as we know true Iranians are not Arabs. Yes the Rus are Nordic and later mixed with the slavs. Here's a tid bit of info...Hebrews and Phonecians occupied the land that is now known as present day Lebanon (Just to the north of Israel) It's amazing how the Vikings who like the Phoenicians were a sea farying people and the Vikings would come all the way down from Scandanavia to Lebabnon to get the timbers to build their boats from the famous Cedar trees that used to be abundant in Lebanon. In those days there were canals and waterways that used to span all the way from Russia to to the med and other routes that the Rus also from Scandanavia and cousins to the norseman used to trade along. Ok the kicker is that the physical features genetically of the hebrews and the phonecians, and the Rus-is red hair, blue/green eyes, fair skin and freckles. True aryians are blond hair blue eyes-the Iranians even admit to this. And this is what got hitler into trouble. Red hair and green eyes is an off shoot of this. Rus means "red"
I can go on and on but that is an example of how and where from people migrate...and where the RUS came from. Next I can go into where did the Phonecians and Hebrews come from-well that would be the Israelites. And where did they come from...well that takes us back to Babylon and Samaria-and where are they located well that would be present Day Iraq-next to Iran. So if one studies the migratory paths of peoples-he can learn where they came from and went to. You got into it once before over Palestine which you were and probably still are clueless about so really maybe talk on subjects you know about. You must have something interesting to offer? |
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