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rchamberlain
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:38 pm    Post subject: Samantha school is a good place to work. I'm there now! Reply with quote

jwilliams, you probably remember me as I also worked at Samantha in 2000/2001. I can't quite believe that you dislike Helen, the director of the school, so much that you are writing about it here seven years later! And I don't agree with what you say about Helen. You are being very unfair to spread such negative comments about her and the school.

Back in 2000/2001, I worked at Samantha for one year and I was very happy with the school. I then went to work in London for a few years before returning to Samantha School in November 2005. I've been working at the school since then. So, I have a lot of experience of the Samantha school and the most up-to-date knowledge of it - I'm working there now too!!

I remember that back in 2000, jwilliams worked for Samantha from September to about January 2001 (maybe she left straight after Christmas, I'm not sure now). I don't know what she has to complain about. Helen, the director of the school, even set jwilliams up with a very nice flat right in the centre of Moscow - at metro Mayakovskaya. I've no idea why jwilliams and Helen fell out (I've forgotten now), but I suppose this can sometimes happen. But this is no reason to start slurring the good name of the school!! When jwilliams left in 2001, the other teachers and I continued to work at Samantha and we were all very happy there. Indeed, that was why I was willing to return to work at the school at the end of 2005.

On this forum all sorts of nonsense has been written about Helen and the Samantha School. I feel I should respond to at least some of it:

1. Mediashark makes the assertion that Samantha school is "badly run by a spiteful and unprofessional woman who has a history of not paying teachers, sending them home (after providing visa support) just because she didn't like them"!!! This is not true at all. And, anyway, isn't the mediator supposed to 'mediate' and show at least some semblance of objectivity, rather than lead an attack on an individual and a school?!

- I want to confirm that Helen, the director of Samantha School, is very trustworthy and pays promptly at the end of every month!!! In total, I have worked at Samantha school for three years and Helen has always paid me and the other teachers on time. I trust Helen completely on this.

2. Ridiculous allegations about the visa!!!

- Oh dear, what is jwilliams complaining about here?! She probably only had a 3-month tourist visa when she first came out to Russia. This is a typical situation. Of course, Samantha school had to get it changed. How else was she going to stay out in Russia to work at the school?

- Jwilliams gives the impression that Helen, the director of Samantha school, has some kind of cunning plan to entrap unsuspecting English teachers!! This is not true at all!! I also have to give my passport to Helen for her to organise my 12-month business visa. I'm very glad that Helen does this for me! Obviously, if I choose to leave the school, then the school is officially required to revoke the visa. This is hardly surprising! But, what's the big deal about visas anyway? In jwilliams' case, she left the school and obviously had to get a new visa. This is not exactly a very difficult thing to do. There are many ways of getting a visa to work in Moscow. Why all the panic and upset from jwilliams?!

3. Ruperthodges claims that Helen 'hates the kids'!! This is utter nonsense. Helen is very popular with the parents and children of Samantha school. They all have a lot of respect for her and are very grateful to her for having created such a good school.

4. Poor old Bongo78 having to wear a Santa costume. How I wept when I read his sorry tale about Helen 'having him by the balls' (that's a quote from him!) and bullying him into dressing up as Santa for the Christmas concert!! Smile Samantha school is for children, aged 6 upwards. Obviously, as a teacher at such a school, you have try and make things fun for the children! What's so traumatic about wearing a Santa costume? The children at the school would be upset if there was no Santa at the concert! Someone has to do it! And anyway, Bongo78 was certainly asked to be Santa at a concert which takes place during class time, so he was being paid for it!!
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surfguy
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

to each thier own...and people certainly have a right to thier own opinions
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rchamberlain
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

surfguy wrote:
to each thier own...and people certainly have a right to thier own opinions


Yes, of course people have the right to their own opinion. I certainly wasn't claiming otherwise!

I worked with jwilliams and I remember her well. She was a nice person. I don't agree at all with her opinion about the Samantha School, but I hope things turned out well for her after she left the school in 2001.

I think it's important to take into account, though, that the Samantha School has been open for over 15 years now. That's a long time and a lot of teachers. Obviously, there are always going to be a few cases where the teachers don't get on too well with the management. Three such teachers have written negative comments about the school here on this forum. However, that doesn't mean it's a bad school! I'm now the third teacher to come onto this forum and give a positive review of the Samantha School. "Rodriguez" and I are still working at the school right now and we are both happy there. "One of them" worked at the school for two years, leaving at the end of the last academic year.

Given the fact that there are also teachers saying that Samantha is actually a very good school, I think it's rather unfair that the school continues to be branded as a 'Dishonest Language Centre' by remaining to be the main subject of debate in this forum!!

A question to Mediashark (the moderator) - Can I start a sticky thread that recommends good schools in Moscow? If so, I'd put Samantha at the top of the list.
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surfguy
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A question to Mediashark (the moderator) - Can I start a sticky thread that recommends good schools in Moscow? If so, I'd put Samantha at the top of the list.


Regardless of what mediashark says I would like to see a thread with your ideas on it. Not sure if you read the other threads here...but I know that there are others who visit this site who are looking to work as ESL teachers in Russia (Mosco). Just because one person has a bad expererience doesn't mean that others will too. The thought of teaching English doesn't interest me in the slightes...but obviously to some it does. But from a traveler's stand point and one who has an interest in Russia I certainly like to read the experiences of others. Actually too though I think Mediashark was being some what neutral in her responses...however she seemed to just share what she knew of the teaching situation there in Moscow seeing how she was living there and associated with teachers. Anyways...as a current employee of Samantha School I am sure you are some what biased and not currently as objective as you could be...understandable of course. But answer us this: Has the Samantha school suffered in any way...because of all this? Too is business for the school at a decline-for whatever reasons? If so...it is a shame...but then too all businesses have to deal with thier negative issues...and I am curious as toif that is in fact what is going on now? ...Damage control! But I do wish good luck and prosperity though to the School
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rchamberlain
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Regardless of what mediashark says I would like to see a thread with your ideas on it.[Surfguy]


Thanks, surfguy, for your support on this! Smile And it only seems fair that it should be made a sticky! Smile After all, three of us teachers have now contributed positive comments about the Samantha School!

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Just because one person has a bad expererience doesn't mean that others will too.[Surfguy]


Exactly. And remember that Samantha has been in operation for over fifteen years now. It's difficult to work out just how many teachers have worked at Samantha over that time. Do three complaints from former teachers mean that it is suddenly a bad school?! Based on the fact that I worked with jwilliams and remember her well I would also suggest (whilst respecting her right to an opinion) that her complaints are rather dubious.

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Actually too though I think Mediashark was being some what neutral in her responses...however she seemed to just share what she knew of the teaching situation there in Moscow seeing how she was living there and associated with teachers.[Surfguy]


Ok, fair enough, Mediashark is just passing on the opinions that she's received from others. I have no objection with that, after all that's what this site is meant for. Still, perhaps there should be some open discussion about the merits of a school before it gets thrown in the list of 'Dishonest English Language Centres'! I can honestly say that such a description is not at all appropriate for the Samantha School.

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Anyways...as a current employee of Samantha School I am sure you are some what biased and not currently as objective as you could be...understandable of course.[Surfguy]


And yes, I'm working at Samantha School now, so I'm obviously going to have favourable things to say about it. If didn't like the place then I would have left it ages ago! There are lots of other schools in Moscow that I could go to if I wanted. But, I'm happy right where I am at the Samantha School. I know of many teachers that have come back to work at the school for more than one academic year. If teachers are willing to return to the school, then it must be pretty good! Smile

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But answer us this: Has the Samantha school suffered in any way...because of all this? Too is business for the school at a decline-for whatever reasons? If so...it is a shame...but then too all businesses have to deal with thier negative issues...and I am curious as toif that is in fact what is going on now? ...Damage control! But I do wish good luck and prosperity though to the School [Surfguy]


My participation in this forum is in no way 'damage control', as you put it. The Samantha School has, and will continue to have, an excellent reputation in Moscow and there is a big demand for lessons at the school. So, the school is continuing to operate very successfully. The discussion on this forum will in no way change this. I just felt strongly that, as a matter of principle, I had to make some response to the negative comments about the school. And I respect Helen, the director of the school - I couldn't just stand by and read such negative and even offensive comments aimed at her personally. Bongo78 even resorted to making a particularly offensive remark in Russian towards Helen at the end of his/her post (I'm surprised that Mediashark hasn't removed this Russian swear word from the site. Are we allowed to hurl such abuse at each other on this site?! Smile )
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surfguy
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm...well perhaps Mediashark will notice this thread...which BTW hasn't seen much activity as of late. But too your comments and opinions I am sure will merit value on the school and speak well to those who are interested in teaching English. Even me...I get criticized all the time on this forum from a few of the members...but too there are many here who know me for who I am. Ans so let those who disagrree with me have thier opinions...makes no difference to me. And I use this as an example for Helen and the Samantha School...let those who take interest decide for themselves. As for Mediashark I talk to her daily and will pass word to her with regards to the posts.
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apage
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:11 am    Post subject: Samantha School Reply with quote

I am currently teaching at Samantha School and would happily recommend it to anyone who wants to teach English to children in Russia.
I have had no problems receiving my pay, negotiating hours or getting my visa.
Helen has been more than helpful since the day I arrived and it is upsetting to see one woman's personality abused like this, especially by people who haven't even met her. It seems that people are much less ready to believe her side of the story simply because she is Russian. If you dislike and distrust Russians so much, then Russia's probably not the best place for you to come and work anyway.
I have worked in several places in Russia and elsewhere and would rank Samantha School as one of the better places to work if you are really interested in teaching.
Employment conditions in Russia clearly differ from those in 'the West' but the conditions at Samantha are MUCH better than anywhere else I have worked in Russia.
I think Helen was perfectly justified in coming on the site and defending herself and, whether it's affecting her business or not, she is perfectly within her rights to be upset at the personal nature of the abuse. I would be horrified if it were me.
As for the visa saga, it is unfair to complain about employment conditions on one hand but expect to be allowed to stay illegally on a visa for a place where you no longer work.
Employers do have the right to fire people, to make demands on their employees and, yes, they even might get a little stressed sometimes (I have never seen a school with no stress). They are trying to run a business and their principle responsibility is to their customers: the children and their parents, and not simply to ensure their teachers spend a nice year 'experiencing' Russia (although having said this, from my experience, Helen IS concerned that her staff are enjoying their time here).

When I applied for the post at Samantha, Helen put me in touch with several of the current teachers. I spoke to them before accepting the position and would invite anyone else considering working at Samantha to do the same so they can make their own mind up. I would be happy to speak to anyone about working there.

jwilliams I'm sorry you had a bad experience. However if you're still upset about it now in 2007 hopefully that means you haven't had any worse experiences since and you're a lucky girl Very Happy I hope you're working somewhere you enjoy now.
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krasatulya
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's an interesting phenomenon that no one posts their good experiences regarding the Samantha school until there is a negative comment, then they seem to come out of the woodwork Think
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rchamberlain
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

krasatulya wrote:
It's an interesting phenomenon that no one posts their good experiences regarding the Samantha school until there is a negative comment, then they seem to come out of the woodwork Think


It is equally interesting that there is only a sticky thread about 'Dishonest Language Centres'. Where is the sticky thread for good English language centres? We definitely should start such a thread. I think it's much more useful to hear positive, rather than negative, feedback from teachers about their experiences at schools.

At the moment, it is difficult to find positive comments about any schools in Moscow. I certainly didn't notice any in the first couple of pages of this forum. A quick search didn't bring anything up either... Can you point some out for me, please, krasatulya? Smile
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surfguy
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well said Apage...and we wish you continued success with your employment there at Samantha School. Honestly this thread died down for a few months and nothing negative had been posted since...well a while ago. So I am sure things are back to normal. Anyways good luck to the school...and to everyone with trying to learn English. After all English is fast becoming the number one language spoken throughout the world...pretty amazing!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

krasatulya wrote:
It's an interesting phenomenon that no one posts their good experiences regarding the Samantha school until there is a negative comment, then they seem to come out of the woodwork Think


This is true, unless you, like me, subscribe to the theory that "no news is good news" Seems like a normal progression to me. Unless the school was exemplary in it's performance, why would you hear about it at all?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know, Dmitry, if you wrote this or not, but I like this quote,
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one of the internationally known schools that have Russian branches (BKC, Language Link, English First, etc.). Of course these schools also have their fair share of disgruntled former employees, but in general they are safer.

I think it should be kept in mind, particularly in this thread.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yorbcbud wrote:
I don't know, Dmitry, if you wrote this or not, but I like this quote,
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one of the internationally known schools that have Russian branches (BKC, Language Link, English First, etc.). Of course these schools also have their fair share of disgruntled former employees, but in general they are safer.

I think it should be kept in mind, particularly in this thread.



Good point there, yorbcbud! Smile

By the way, does anyone know why this thread continues to be a sticky thread? Surely, it should be made into a normal thread like the thread that gives positive views about schools - 'Highly Recommended Language Schools' (http://www.waytorussia.net/TalkLounge/viewtopic.php?p=75977#75977).

It's unfair for the thread with negative comments to have priority over the thread with positive comments!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rchamberlain:

I remember you as well and I am surprised to see that you are accusing me of "slurring" the Samantha School. I am just sharing my experience, which happened to be negative. You don't seem to have all the facts right about my experience at the school, but since it happened to me and not to you, I can't really expect you to know all the details.

I'm glad to hear that you are doing well at the Samantha School. I hope in your future posts that you do not continue to paint me in a negative light, as I remember you and your wife fondly.

Cheers, and good luck to you!
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