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nikir
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| MrSpice wrote: | | nikir wrote: | | I have been to a few other places, but a long time ago. When I was 17 a cousin who lives in San Francisco and I drove from there to New York, around the bottom and then up through the middle to Chicago, then over to New York for new year. It was quite a fun trip and took a month. |
Since I have travelled to other countries extensively (unlike jo jo), I can say that you comments about the US make very little sense to me. Overall, it's a nice, indutrious and interesting country. It's very diverse and very friendly to immigrants (it's been a country of immigrants from the start). I am not sure what the homeless in San Francisco have to do with anything. San Francisco is know for it's "love" of the homeless. This is the only town in the US where you can litteraly find homeless guy on every corner in the middle of the city. Obviously, that is no way representative of the US in general. San Francisco is a unique place in many other ways. For example, It has the most expensive real estate in the US (even more expensive than Manhattan in New York City).
I don't think America is that different from Australia. In fact, Australia's economic system basically mirrored the US's in the past 10-15 years. In many other ways, Australia is very similar to the US. Yo should travel to America and visit different cities and towns and suspect your bias for a while... |
I didn't intend to come across as biased, just disinterested.
It's not that different to Australia, just more full on with the silly aspects, and it does get rather tiresome, having the marvels rammed down your throat in every post. Ihat's why I don't break my neck to go there these days. If I do it is only for business or family reasons.
I would much prefer to spend my leisure time in an environment and culture that is not so "tailored". That's why like going to Russia, the eastern parts of Europe and the less developed parts of south east Asia sometimes. |
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nikir
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Joined: 12 Dec 2005
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Location: Coffs Harbour Australia
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: ? |
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| jo jo 7 wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | nikir wrote: | | jo jo 7 wrote: | | I think if people from Russia, AUSTRALIA ect. should come to the United States and visit some of the small communities. I believe the views would change seeing how people come together for each other. Seeing how much a community sticks together to for those who need support ect...I don't believe that others should judge Americans and our culture until they have actually experienced it. |
I have been to America many times jojo and have to say that in all honesty it is my least favourite destination on planet Earth. The worst excesses of Australia are multiplied there many times and I find most of the people there obsessed with their own self importance. The exception is Hawaii once you get off Oahu.
As for how a community sticks together yes I agree. Take a look at the homeless community in downtown San Francisco for example, very big and very united. |
Ok I will comment on my experiences down under...I will say this...the aussies are some of the best people and go all out for strangers and are very giving and hospitible...I witnessed this first hand. In the states we have this too but is not as apparent except I did see the same when I was in Florida and in Hawaii...but I know that for my friends and guess I am very giving etc and most the people I associate with are too. The problem with the states is that we want to be this way but also we have been taken advantage of so many times that we do tend to be pretty cautious. In Russia it's they pride themselves on the harshness of the place and love to point out the fact that foriegners won't be able to survive there...which is 99% true...but equally at least my perspective is...why would I want to? There is so much better out there so why struggle...But let's be honest people community is every where...all over the world...and it just takes belonging to a community that gives us that sense and feeling...it sucks being an outsider. So some communities are more accepting than others and I'm sure all of us do what ever we can for our friends families niegbors and who ever else that we can when there is a need. The world is what we make of it! |
I have the best neighbors. They always look out for us. If you need anything, they are right there.
True, the world is what we make of it.  |
I have great neighbours too. We have a drink together about once a year and say hello when we pass. But I don't see the need to announce this to the world in bold print. |
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jo jo 7
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Joined: 05 Nov 2006
Posts: 3248
Location: Louisville,Kentucky
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: Re: ? |
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| nikir wrote: | | jo jo 7 wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | nikir wrote: | | jo jo 7 wrote: | | I think if people from Russia, AUSTRALIA ect. should come to the United States and visit some of the small communities. I believe the views would change seeing how people come together for each other. Seeing how much a community sticks together to for those who need support ect...I don't believe that others should judge Americans and our culture until they have actually experienced it. |
I have been to America many times jojo and have to say that in all honesty it is my least favourite destination on planet Earth. The worst excesses of Australia are multiplied there many times and I find most of the people there obsessed with their own self importance. The exception is Hawaii once you get off Oahu.
As for how a community sticks together yes I agree. Take a look at the homeless community in downtown San Francisco for example, very big and very united. |
Ok I will comment on my experiences down under...I will say this...the aussies are some of the best people and go all out for strangers and are very giving and hospitible...I witnessed this first hand. In the states we have this too but is not as apparent except I did see the same when I was in Florida and in Hawaii...but I know that for my friends and guess I am very giving etc and most the people I associate with are too. The problem with the states is that we want to be this way but also we have been taken advantage of so many times that we do tend to be pretty cautious. In Russia it's they pride themselves on the harshness of the place and love to point out the fact that foriegners won't be able to survive there...which is 99% true...but equally at least my perspective is...why would I want to? There is so much better out there so why struggle...But let's be honest people community is every where...all over the world...and it just takes belonging to a community that gives us that sense and feeling...it sucks being an outsider. So some communities are more accepting than others and I'm sure all of us do what ever we can for our friends families niegbors and who ever else that we can when there is a need. The world is what we make of it! |
I have the best neighbors. They always look out for us. If you need anything, they are right there.
True, the world is what we make of it. |
I have great neighbours too. We have a drink together about once a year and say hello when we pass. But I don't see the need to announce this to the world in bold print. |
Well Nikir, I can be a bold person and I'm not afraid to tell you what I think especially when someone is being stupid. My mouth sometimes has got me in trouble. Someday, when I am old and about to pass on, I am going to go out with a bang.
It is too sad to have neighbors and not get to know them. You are missing out. Maybe you should be more social. Have a barbeque and invite them over. |
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jo jo 7
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Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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Location: Louisville,Kentucky
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| MrSpice wrote: | | nikir wrote: | | I have been to a few other places, but a long time ago. When I was 17 a cousin who lives in San Francisco and I drove from there to New York, around the bottom and then up through the middle to Chicago, then over to New York for new year. It was quite a fun trip and took a month. |
Since I have travelled to other countries extensively (unlike jo jo), I can say that you comments about the US make very little sense to me. Overall, it's a nice, indutrious and interesting country. It's very diverse and very friendly to immigrants (it's been a country of immigrants from the start). I am not sure what the homeless in San Francisco have to do with anything. San Francisco is know for it's "love" of the homeless. This is the only town in the US where you can litteraly find homeless guy on every corner in the middle of the city. Obviously, that is no way representative of the US in general. San Francisco is a unique place in many other ways. For example, It has the most expensive real estate in the US (even more expensive than Manhattan in New York City).
I don't think America is that different from Australia. In fact, Australia's economic system basically mirrored the US's in the past 10-15 years. In many other ways, Australia is very similar to the US. Yo should travel to America and visit different cities and towns and suspect your bias for a while... |
um!.."unlike jo jo"..... how many cities have you visited in the states...2?.. |
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surfguy
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Joined: 13 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I didn't intend to come across as biased, just disinterested.
It's not that different to Australia, just more full on with the silly aspects, and it does get rather tiresome, having the marvels rammed down your throat in every post. Ihat's why I don't break my neck to go there these days. If I do it is only for business or family reasons.
I would much prefer to spend my leisure time in an environment and culture that is not so "tailored". That's why like going to Russia, the eastern parts of Europe and the less developed parts of south east Asia sometimes. |
well of course...and that is a great reason for travel-to get away from the norms of our homes. |
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Generation P
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Joined: 22 May 2006
Posts: 316
Location: SHE WENT TO BARCELONA!
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:40 am Post subject: Re: Latins and russians |
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| johanndiaz wrote: | Hi all: I love russian culture, I am latin, and somehow I find out that there are similarities between us. I am willing to know how do russians perceive latin people as for example, colombians, argentinians, chileans, brazilians....etc....
I would like to know if latin russian congeniality is true.
I noticed that russians and americans do not congeniate a lot, is that true??
PD: Lots of russians are living in Bogota Colombia |
Allthough I haven't had pleasure to know too many Colombians (actually, only two), but for what I've observed I'd say that both Latin and Russian Cultures seem to be very much alike in terms of social discourse. What I'm intending to say that well, both are more than talkative, helpful (even to strangers), hospital and social in terms that not all Western Europeans are. That does of course not count for all wessies, but no matter what this is what I've personally experienced. Also I'd say that Russians and Latins both hug each other and give kisses to each others on daily basis in a way that would be regarded in most of West European countries as something bizarre.
For what Russians know about Latin America, well it of course depends on persons own interests, but in general I'd say that for quite many Russians Latin America represents a place far, far away. Of course the political leaders are discussed, but what people know about history and culture of your country is very little, I suppose... Well, in addition, I'd be surprised if Russians would mix Mexico with Argentina.
But one, and not the least, reason for Russians knowing not so much about Latins is LANGUAGE. During the soviet years foreign languages weren't taught all that much, and pupils usually selected only one foreign language in the age of 11 years. The languages that people could study were usually: German, English or French. So Spanish is a language that is not studied very extensively in Russia.
Only exceptions are the pupils who studied at schools specialized in foreign languages. Special schools started in 1960's and 1970's so til that Russian/Soviet pupils studied only one language, which usually wasn't Spanish. (Well, I've never ever met a Russian who would had studied Spanish in school.)
Nowadays there are plenty of private language schools, where Spanish is taught. But that counts only for big cities. And, yes, one can decide to study Spanish Philology in University. But still, I'd say that Spanish speaking world is not something very known in the essence of cultural history. And for that matter certain Russians might have very colourful understandings about your country. Besides Russian TV-channels have huge amount of Latin-American telenovelas, of course spoken in Russian, but well, I wouldn't be all that surprised if certain, maybe not-so-well-educated Russian would make comments about your country based on the picture from telenovela (well, you know Juana la Virgen, Mi Gorda Bella y además...).
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MrSpice
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| jo jo: Please continue using the bold point. That makes us understand you better. That also makes the most insignificant points look important. Any time you say something about Kentucky, please make it bold. |
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TimMedellin
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Joined: 13 Jul 2009
Posts: 2
Location: USA/Colombia
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| Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: Latins and russians |
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| johanndiaz wrote: | Hi all: I love russian culture, I am latin, and somehow I find out that there are similarities between us. I am willing to know how do russians perceive latin people as for example, colombians, argentinians, chileans, brazilians....etc....
I would like to know if latin russian congeniality is true.
I noticed that russians and americans do not congeniate a lot, is that true??
PD: Lots of russians are living in Bogota Colombia |
I am from Russia, also have lived in USA, and also have traveled to Colombia a lot during the last year.
You are right, there are many similarities. Both Russians and Colombians are very social, and much more social then people in North America, where everybody "minds their own business" I know some people here were arguing that, but they probably have no clue what they are talking about.
In USA most my friends are Eastern European, FSU, Asian and Latin.
I would also add that Colombians in general are friendlier, happier, and much more polite than Russians. I wish some Russians were more like Colombians regarding happiness and politeness.
Even with my limited Spanish, I can easily talk to a Colombian person, but with my pretty good English, its really hard to talk to an American. Not much in common, different humor, etc.. In my(and many others') opinion USA is good mostly to study and make money.
People in USA are tied up to their job, mortgages, school, etc... most people are busy and live like robots in order to achieve some "goal", which is usually a bigger car, house, etc.. But obviously there is no end to this race.
Sometimes I'm surprised when a Colombian tells me about Russian literature or music. One time I saw a book by Bulgakov in a Taxi. I would never imagine a USA taxi driver reading this stuff.
In several trips to Colombia I met there more friends(male and female) than in 10 years in USA. One year ago I was met in Bogota airport by some people I had never met before(they were friends of another friend). They made me feel like I was at home, and also like I knew them for years. Also my Spanish was pretty bad at that time, but it was not a problem at all. Also one women knew some Russian, so we could help each other. She actually lived in Moscow for several years and really loved it.
There are many other things to discuss. Also there are some similarities in languages. Many grammar rules are similar, although Russian is more complicated. Many words are almost the same, since Russian have borrowed many words from Latin. Also Russian has an equivalent to Spanish forms "Tu" and "Usted". And it kinda reminds Russia and especially Central Asia, where a younger or a stranger person in Colombia calls you "Usted".
BTW, I'm soon going to Bpogota and Medellin for la feria de flores.
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Daria
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| nikir wrote: | I see Russians as having more integrity, being less influenced by gross consumerism and being a much stronger family unit. They also have a far greater sense of community worth and are more adept at solving problems at a community level.
As for me I suppose I'm a bit of a hybrid, as I have always been exposed to, and influenced by both cultures, and have probably taken what I consider to be the best from each. My personality is unique to me. |
Nikir, my friend, as much as you want it to be truth, I am sorry to tell you, but the Russians are NOT what you want them to be!!!! The only right they have is to consume, well just like all of us. On the different scale though.... |
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jo jo 7
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Location: Louisville,Kentucky
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Latins and russians |
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| TimMedellin wrote: | | johanndiaz wrote: | Hi all: I love russian culture, I am latin, and somehow I find out that there are similarities between us. I am willing to know how do russians perceive latin people as for example, colombians, argentinians, chileans, brazilians....etc....
I would like to know if latin russian congeniality is true.
I noticed that russians and americans do not congeniate a lot, is that true??
PD: Lots of russians are living in Bogota Colombia |
I am from Russia, also have lived in USA, and also have traveled to Colombia a lot during the last year.
You are right, there are many similarities. Both Russians and Colombians are very social, and much more social then people in North America, where everybody "minds their own business" I know some people here were arguing that, but they probably have no clue what they are talking about.
In USA most my friends are Eastern European, FSU, Asian and Latin.
I would also add that Colombians in general are friendlier, happier, and much more polite than Russians. I wish some Russians were more like Colombians regarding happiness and politeness.
Even with my limited Spanish, I can easily talk to a Colombian person, but with my pretty good English, its really hard to talk to an American. Not much in common, different humor, etc.. In my(and many others') opinion USA is good mostly to study and make money.
People in USA are tied up to their job, mortgages, school, etc... most people are busy and live like robots in order to achieve some "goal", which is usually a bigger car, house, etc.. But obviously there is no end to this race.
Sometimes I'm surprised when a Colombian tells me about Russian literature or music. One time I saw a book by Bulgakov in a Taxi. I would never imagine a USA taxi driver reading this stuff.
In several trips to Colombia I met there more friends(male and female) than in 10 years in USA. One year ago I was met in Bogota airport by some people I had never met before(they were friends of another friend). They made me feel like I was at home, and also like I knew them for years. Also my Spanish was pretty bad at that time, but it was not a problem at all. Also one women knew some Russian, so we could help each other. She actually lived in Moscow for several years and really loved it.
There are many other things to discuss. Also there are some similarities in languages. Many grammar rules are similar, although Russian is more complicated. Many words are almost the same, since Russian have borrowed many words from Latin. Also Russian has an equivalent to Spanish forms "Tu" and "Usted". And it kinda reminds Russia and especially Central Asia, where a younger or a stranger person in Colombia calls you "Usted".
BTW, I'm soon going to Bpogota and Medellin for la feria de flores.
Saludos |
I agree with you on North America, I wish they would slow down a bit, but you can blame the rat race in America on the taxes, health care and having crummy Presidents for the past 20 years, not the cars and mortgages. Keeping up is the goal so we are not living in the streets.
I had a Columbian friend, I hope she enjoyed my jewelry  |
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Daria
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| Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:57 am Post subject: Re: Latins and russians |
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| johanndiaz wrote: | | Hi all: I love russian culture, I am latin, and somehow I find out that there are similarities between us...... |
Both Russians and Latinos love to party, drink, sing songs, dance, have fun, spend time with family and friends. Both are known to be overly jealous and beat their spouses up.
Lastly, both Russians and Latinos have big hearts, appreciate their history and culture. Also, both were affected by communism and numerous revolutions. |
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