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kolobed · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:53 pm Post subject:

what makes you think that i don't value human life? in fact, i value all life, not only human. i don't even kill insects. it's really frustrating how judgmental people can be sometimes. you are a perfect testament to that. and i don't really care whether or not you leave me alone... if i did, i would stop responding to your posts. i was just wondering where all that hostility and ignorance is coming from... how do you get from "smelly muslim babies" to racism? boggles my mind...

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camarks · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:51 pm Post subject:

Kolobed,

Unfortunately I can not help you with your initial request and have no desire to participate in the name calling etc., but as one who has adopted a child from Russia, I am very interested in the issues you raise. I am well aware of Russia's requirements for male resident citizens to serve in the mlitary. I am also well aware of the US Consolates' vague sugestions that male Russian citizens may experience problems. I had a reference to Russian law, which I can unfortunately no longer find, that indicated that permanent residents of other countries were not required to serve in the Russian military. I know this is an emotional issue for many former Soviet or Russian citizens and understand your desire to renounce your Russian citizenship. However, inspite of all the information about these issues that is out there, I have yet to hear of a single case of a resident of any other country being required to serve in the Russian military (regardless of citizenship). Can you point to any credible news source that indicates that this has happened. Thanks,

kolobed · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:23 am Post subject:

chris,

first of all, i admire your decision to adopt a child from russia. i think it's a great deed, and i am hoping to do the same in the future. although, i don't know if it's going to be possible due to recent changes in russian law. anyway, back to renouncing, draft, etc...

i'm not really sure what you mean by "resident" citizens. you are either a permanent resident or a citizen. it does not matter if you reside in a country or not, you are still a citizen of that country and you must abide by that country's laws when you are within its jurisdiction.

if you consider the information provided on an official US embassy website "vague suggestions", that is your prerogative. unfortunately, i cannot provide you with "trustworthy" news sources, simply because a russian citizen that returns to russia and gets drafted into the russian army is not exactly worthy of a cnn headline. what i can tell you, is that it has happened to a friend of a friend of mine, and that is all i need to know to make my decision. like i said before, i am not seeking advice on this matter, i was simply trying to find out how long it would take to renounce my russian citizenship.

furthermore, if your adopted child is still a russian citizen, i would highly recommend renouncing it. the risk reward ratio here is absurd. the issue of the draft is not an emotional one, it is a matter of life and death... i chose not to gamble this time around...

tuller · Talk Show Host Joined: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 238

I posed the question today to three different Russian women about dual citizenship.
Here is what all three told me and one of these women is my wife.

Quote: Russia is our Homeland....America is now our country of perminent
residency and where we choose to call home now.
That would be like saying...I was born in my home state of New York but now "my" home is in California but I can return back to my home state anytime I wish for visits without any problems and still be a New Yorker.

tuller

kolobed · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:42 am Post subject:

no, tuller, it is not like that. moving from state to state is not like moving from one country to another. that is probably one of the most absurd things i have heard in a long while...

goDutch · Frequent Guest Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 63

jo jo 7

Daria · Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject:

kolobed · Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:29 am Post subject:

goDutch, you the man! thank you, that is all i wanted to know.

tuller · Talk Show Host Joined: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 238

no, tuller, it is not like that. moving from state to state is not like moving from one country to another. that is probably one of the most absurd things i have heard in a long while...

You're about as dumb as old dirt...you don't even have enough sense to understand what I was talking about.
You deserve the Russian military but they don't deserve someone as dumb as you.

Well, we're getting read to go to Russia again Very Happy

....not worried about the military nor the American Emabassy helping us is if we need help. Boo hoo!

You guys be good while we're gone and I'll try to check in while we're there.
I'll let you know if my wife and 10 year old twin daughters get drafted into the Russian military when they show their American Passports at SVO and my wife uses her Russian Passport when shopping in Moscow Rolling Eyes

tuller

Daria · Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:00 am Post subject:

jo jo 7 · Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject:

Kolobed, I am not trying to be negative about your visit in Russia, but(very good resource) my uncle says:

1. You are still a "Russian citizen" and they don't care about your American citizenship.

2. They could detain you there for a long time.

3.. You could be considered a deserter if you left Russia for the US in the time of drafting.

4. Have money to pay them off with.

5. If you don't have money then be prepared to serve 2 years in the Russian military.

Some advice, if you own a house in the USA, cover your furniture and talk to your insurance company or your mortagage company before you leave.

You might not be back for two years. lol

nikir · Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: