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WayToRussia
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 Posted: Fri May 13, 2005 1:31 am Post subject: Welcome to the Russian Language Forum |
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If you are just learning Russian or want to practise your skills, here is a forum for you. We also invite Russians to post here to help others learn our wonderful language  and just to make new friends!
Some useful tips:
1) A good introductory page on the Russian Language is http://waytorussia.net/WhatIsRussia/Russian.html
2) If you don't have a Russian keyboard, you can use this website to translate between Latin and Cyrillic letters: http://www.translit.ru
3) If you want to type in Russian, you can either buy stickers advertised by GoogleAds in our Russian language section or use this service as a temporary solution: http://lingvo.yandex.ru/en.kbd
4) A good light Russian - English translator is http://lingvo.yandex.ru |
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Mei Nu
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| just to say that the translit.ru site is really helpful. I practically never use Cyrillic when chatting or writing with Russian people, it just takes so much time to find the letters on the keyboard. with translit.ru I just write like I`m used to and the thing puts the letters in Cyrillic. GREAT!!!!! |
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wavetossed
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Оилично!
Спасибо за новый форум
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Maxim
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Добрый день=)
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ME
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject: вот ета да |
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Kuta
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:51 pm Post subject: Translit for Outlook |
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The easiest way to get translited text from English to Russian or Ru-to-Eng is using http://www.latkey.com/translit I like it and it is for free. 
G.luck! |
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Natasha
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PavelUSA
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There is some very useful information missing in this thread -
regarding the ways to type in Cyrillic (Russian) -
there are some modern methods that are MUCH more easier and handier than ones listed above,
so please let me to update that information.
I've been living in the US since 1990 and have, since 1995 a hobby,
"How to read and write in Cyrillic(Russian) while being outside Russia"
(wanted very much to communicate in mother-tongue and was the first one who figured out how to write in Russian in Netscape ver. 1 and then ver. 2 and 3 - both in browser itself and in the Mail/News component).
I follow all the news and trends in this area, I collect the most useful methods from Web sites and also from 30+ Russian-language and bi-lingual forums and Newsgroups around the world:
in Australia, New Zealand, USA, Canada, Spain, Italy, Germany, Sweden, France, Greek, etc.
So below are not just my own thoughts but rather the BEST methods collected from the above sources, up-to-date information.
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First, it is NOT logical to mix two VERY different situations which have VERY different solutions:
(1) your own computer at home or at work where you can activate system keyboard tools for Cyrillic input
(2) computer is NOT yours - Windows, Linux, Mac, ... - in a public place such as Internet-cafe or hotel's business center or a library or an university lab
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Some comments regarding tools mentioned in the previous messages:
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3) If you want to type in Russian, you can either buy stickers advertised by GoogleAds in our Russian language section or use this service as a temporary solution: http://lingvo.yandex.ru/en.kbd
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(a) First, here is that mix of two different situations listed above:
stickers mean that computer is your own (you can not use them in a library, can you? )
But if it's the case then there is usually no reason to type in Russian on some Web site -
you can type using system keyboard which is approximately thousand times handier:
you write - and correct! - your text directly in the place where you need it, say in MS Word or e-mail preparation window or browser window -
system keyboard tools are THE BEST way to type - being it Russian or German or English text, any other method is - by default - worse, less handy, more troublesome and time consuming.
No reason to type in some 3rd party tool and then copy the results to the place where you need it and repeat that many times even if you need to fix one-letter typo!
Also, if you prepare your text in a browser and your Windows is not Russian you will fail to copy the text to any non-Unicode application such as say UltraEdit editor or famous HTML editor Dreamweaver -
all you get be just question marks - "????". Very, very bad!
Moreover, system tools allow same things as those 3rd party Web sites offer, for example:
- one can - if it's what you like about that Web site - see the image of keyboard layout (where Russian letters are) using On-Screen keyboard which Windows has -
switch keyboard to "RU" mode and then do Start/Run and type OSK
- system keyboard can be tuned-up to work - with "RU" in taskbar -
in a Phonetic (transliterated, homophonic) mode:
the Russian letters are located where the closest English letters are:
'O'-'O', 'A'-'A', 'T'-'T', Russian 'C' - English 'S', etc.
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(b) Second, even in the "Internet-cafe"-like situation the Virtual Keyboard at http://lingvo.yandex.ru/en.kbd
is outdated - has several serious deficiences and non-handy things -
modern Virtual Keyboards (described at the bottom of this message) do not have such disadvantages ....
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2) If you don't have a Russian keyboard, you can use this website to translate between Latin and Cyrillic letters: http://www.translit.ru
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Similar case - two different things are mixed - "your own PC" and "Internet-cafe" situation.
a) There are millions of us, former USSR citizens, all over the world nowadays.
Most of us do NOT have "Russian keyboard" - especially at work (my boss would be very surprized otherwise )
At the same time most of us can NOT "type blindly" - we did not memorize this one, Standard Russian layout:
http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/keyboards/kbdru.htm
But - opposite to the above quote - it does NOT mean that we use - especially with our own computer - those AUFUL "latin combinations" required by sites as translit.ru such as say
........ maj/or skazal: ja ljublju zashhishhajushhixsja
and then convert them to Cyrillic using complex "how to get good results" rules.
No, there have been found MUCH more useful ways to type without 'Russian keyboard' for those who does NOT remember Standard Russian layout:
| Mei Nu wrote: | | I practically never use Cyrillic when chatting or writing with Russian people, it just takes so much time to find the letters on the keyboard. Translit.ru is GREAT |
It's common confusion based on the WRONG assumption that
......... type in Cyrillic (Russian)
means
......... use Standard layout of Russian letters (http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/keyboards/kbdru.htm)
But it's NOT the case at all!
Even most of us, native speakers living all over the world are in the same situation -
we forgot this, Standard layout!
BUT the solution (found back in 1997 and could be seen back then on US-based SovInformBureau site) is MUCH simpler and at least thousand times BETTER than using a 3rd party site such as translit.ru -
we just use ANOTHER layout! (2 minutes to activate, one-time job).
It is called Phonetic (transliterated, homophonic) layout and was announced back in 1997-98 on such well-known US-based sites as V.Maslov's "SovInformBureau" and AATSEEL.
It lets us type in the same way we type English texts - we obtain letter 'A' of either language by pressing same button with 'A' on it:
- get English A when keyboard mode is "EN"
- get Russian A when keyboard mode is "RU"
K-K, O-O, T-T,... Russian 'f' - by pressing 'F' button, Russian 'g' - by pressing 'G' button, etc.
On a person's own computer such layout is activated ONCE and the activation takes 20 minutes for a novice and 3 minutes for a person who knows a little bit more about Windows (just download 2 files, no program is needed)
There is NOTHING more logical, easier, faster, problem-free than regular system keyboard tools when you type/correct the text directly in the place you need -
any 3rd party "input tool" is worse...
And because SYSTEM keyboard could also be used in "transliterated", Phonetic mode, then there is no reason to use something else:
The "system keyboard" mode of input is also the most economical, you type faster -
because there are no "latin combinations" - you press ONE button to get one Russian letter!
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That is - logically - people type Russian, German, Czech or Greek same way - using system keyboard directly where they need it
INSTEAD of doing it -
just for Russian (eventhough activating Russian keyboard support on a US computer is NO different from activating Czech or Greek support) -
in a very tedious way of typing in some 3rd party tool and then copy from it - many times, even when one needs to fix one-letter typo!
And again, if you prepare your text using a 3rd party tool and your Windows is not Russian you will fail to copy the text to any non-Unicode application such as say UltraEdit editor or famous HTML editor Dreamweaver -
all you get be just question marks - "????". Have to use some time-consuming 'work-around' then...
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b) Situation "Internet-cafe" and site translit.ru
Here this site is useful - many people got used to its Rules of "converting latin combinations" and find it handy (for them).
But nowadays when more and more people get their own computer (thus getting used to system keyboard tools and forgetting "latin combinations")
this site becomes not-too-handy and tedious for other people -
those who usually type at home (with system keyboard, i.e. no combinations) but temporary being in a public place -
vacation, business trip, a university lab, etc.
These people do NOT like translit.ru and other "conversion" sites - I have links to many such complains on the page
"Why less and less people like translit.ru -
say a person (who types at home with system keyboard, using Standard or Phonetic layout) went to a vacation and payed for an hour of Internet in a hotel's business center.
What do you think that person prefer?
Variant 1. Person opens e-mail preparation window or a forum's page and immediately starts typing -
EXACTLY as at home - as s/he get used to, same layout, press same buttons, all the same.
Variant 2. Type NOT as "at home", differently - with "latin combinations" such as zh/ju,...
Before starting to type, that person needs to learn "Rules of good combinations that would let a converter to present a good-quality Russian text" for example:
- one can not use 'sch' - otherwise 'schitayu' be converted wrongly
- one can not use 'yu' - otherwise 'vyuchil' be converted wrongly
- one can not use 'h for Russian 'x - otherwise 'shodil' be converted wrongly
- one needs to be a 'linguist' - always think about 'word type' -
in words like 'Pojti' it is Ok to use 'j' for Russian 'i-kratkoe', but in words like 'jod' or 'major' one can NOT use 'j', cannot use same latin letter for this Russian letter - has to use different way - "j/"
- etc.
- etc.
The choice for a person who wants to type Russian being outside of the home is simple, right?
Why would anyone want to type differently at home and in the Internet-cafe if s/he can type
THE SAME WAY?
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So, to summirize (again, it's based on numerous discussions in 30+ forums around the world and on the information of instructional Web sites):
My own computer - nothing is better, easier and faster than type using SYSTEM keyboard tools - Standard or Phonetic layout -
the up-to-date information from numerous Web sites and forums in many countries has been collected and is presented in the
"How to type in Cyrillic (Russian) on any keyboard" section on this freeware instructional site:
http://RusWin.net
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Computer in a public place - it's just not possible that ONE tool would satisfy each and every person being in a public place, people need to have a CHOICE:
(1) people who do not have their own computer with Russian system keyboard tools still go http://translit.ru or similar "converters of latin combinations"
(2) people who usually type on their own computer with system keyboard tools (Standard or Phonetic layout) would love, being in a public place,
type THE SAME way as they do on their own computer -
there is a modern Virtual Keyboard that 100% simulates regular system keyboard-based input mode (though one could use mouse, too) -
all deficiences of predecessors have been taken into the account; offers both Standard and Phonetic layouts, even if system keyboard in say European Internet-cafe is in German ("DE") or French ("FR"), etc. input mode:
*************** http://Kbd.RusWin.net
or directly to a Russian-interface variant:
*************** http://Klava.RusWin.net
Works under Opera, Mozilla/Firefox/Netscape, Internet Explorer - people tried it already under Mac, LInux and even PDA.
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Thus we covered modern methods for both cases:
- "your own computer" at home or at work
and
- "computer where it is not possible to activate system keyboard tools for Russian input" for example, an Internet-cafe in US.
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If you would like to give some one a single link that points to the collection of such modern methods, you can point to the following review that has all of the above information:
"How to type in Cyrillic (Russian) being it your own computer or one in a public place such as a library in Chicago":
************ http://RusWin.net/ZaBugrom.htm
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P.S. The Review is a "collection of useful information" and NOT an ad -
among the author-software sites the Translit.ru is listed as #1 while I have no relations to this site.
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MelissaCato
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| A friend of mine a few years ago emailed me a link to download free a Russian keyboard that sat on my system tray, and I just clicked it to switch from English ... does anyone know what I'm talking about or where I can get it, my friend is no where to be found. ????? I'd like that one back. Thanks. |
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nikir
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| MelissaCato wrote: | | A friend of mine a few years ago emailed me a link to download free a Russian keyboard that sat on my system tray, and I just clicked it to switch from English ... does anyone know what I'm talking about or where I can get it, my friend is no where to be found. ????? I'd like that one back. Thanks. |
I use this one
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/PaulGor/
It's perfect for what i want although If I have to use a real Russian keyboard I'm stuffed. |
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PavelUSA
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| MelissaCato wrote: | | A friend of mine a few years ago emailed me a link to download free a Russian keyboard that sat on my system tray, and I just clicked it to switch from English ... |
Yes, it's what explained on the site mentioned in the previous message (by nikir) - just look there at the section called
"Typing Russian on any keyboard: standard and phonetic layout"
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MelissaCato
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| ..ok, thanks. .... it's still not the same. |
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PavelUSA
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| MelissaCato wrote: | | ..ok, thanks. .... it's still not the same. |
What do you mean? It was about activating Russian input support and having "RU" indicator in the task bar - so one can type Russian as s/he types say French:
- switch to "FR" - type French
- switch to "RU" - type Russian
using regular, built-in system keyboard tools and choosing whether a Standard Russian layout with the picture like this: http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/keyboards/kbdru.htm or
with Phonetic (homophonic) layout with the picture like one by AATSEEL - http://RusWin.net/student.png
(Phonetic layout is modifiable, a user can re-arange the letters).
I guess, what you remember was a separate keyboard program - they were in use in the times of Windows 3.1 when no system keyboard tools existed for Russian.
I remember several of them - CyrWin, ParaWin, "Cyrillic Starter Kit", etc.
But now they do NOT have any use - all their functionality is 100% covered now by system keyboard tools -
and there is nothing more useful, handy, problemfree, logical than regular built-in system tools - ANY 3rd party keyboard tool (program/site/plagin) is definitely WORSE.
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nikir
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I found this the perfect solution for me and have been using it for 5 years if not more.
I do not live in Russia and am not familiar with the keyboard layout there. I am however very familiar with the qwerty layout and often type in both English and Russian.
Just a cntrl + alt toggles between cyrillic and latin, most letters stay where they are and it works in any application.
The drawback is when I have to type on a Russian keyboard it takes forever. That's life! |
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Rick
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I used stickers for a Russian keyboard layout. The trouble is though that they sometimes fall off after a while  |
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