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Soundbrigade · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:03 am Post subject:

I normally go bazookas when people don't read my notes or misread them grossly, and now I found out that I managed to misread yorbcbud's messages.
From my quick glances I mistook his quotes for his own opinions and missed his comments that were diametrically opposite of the quotes.
We have discussed this in private, no hard feelings, back to work (and tea with Mrs K), and I am truly sorry for my mistake.

yorbcbud · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:12 am Post subject:

MrSpice · Lounge Wizard Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 3436

Soundbrigade · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 11:09 am Post subject:

Spiceman: That's an unnecessary comment! Mad

Try this instead: The writer Simon Sebag Montefiore has written some really interesting books about Potemkin, who was really progressive trying to industrialize Russia, about Stalin (the red tsar and hos court) and about the young Stalin.
He is very much into details and gives very much facts. Also he writes his book in a style that it is easy to comprehend.

MrSpice · Lounge Wizard Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 3436

surfguy · Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6996

Honestly aI wish I could remember the names of all the different foods and dishes I have had here...and I have had a lot of chicken...last night was a fried chicken and of course yes potatoes...very good. Also I have had some fish where they take the meat and well patte it and I think it is mixed with 3 kinds of fish meat...then they stuff it back into the fish...really quite good. Also of course I got stuffed on pelmini the other night. I have had a lot of good dishes here...but unfortunately I cannot come pare with russia because...well I had some of the same there and then also I ate sushi there a lot. And I had Kiev Chicken there. But I will say this...I have eaten so much food here...OMG...need to definitely surf when I get home...thank God I have a new board waiting for me!

Paul Holmes · VIP Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 970

SB, Stalin regime has completely divided and destroyed the original culture of Russian. Modern day Russia is paying for his mistakes.

Women, you think your comments are any different than any other women in the world. Russian women are nothing special. I find them quite the opposite. In that they think they are better than most, but in fact they are just the same, which makes them worse. Every story writes how beautiful they are, but if you go to my city at night or day, you will see just as many pleasant women or even more than Moscow. But these ladies have heard this legend they are more beautiful than the rest of the world and that every American is fat behemouth. Which push this stupid Beautiful Russian Bride BS.

The fact that is the majority of men would never find a woman like such in a normal environment of equality like in the USA or they are bitter after a divorce or break up and blame all their problems on the Western Cultural. They become Russianphiliacs. The women are the same way.

Do you know that divorce rate between Eastern Europeans and Americans are skyrocketing? Why you may ask. Because there is a loophole in Permanent Residence in the USA. Once there and married, the Russian wife will claim spousal abuse and divorce her husband. normally she will get punted, but since it is spousal abuse, they will be allowed to stay. Since it is spousal abuse(which majority of times is false), they can nullify any Prenuptial agreements also.

Before it was the opposite, in which a man who marry a Russian woman could threaten her with divorce. Divorce met going to Eastern Europe with nothing. It takes 5 years to get a citizenship, thus if a woman who wants to divorce her American hubby has to claim abuse in order to stay or find another husband right away. Which leads to lies and adultery.

You say that she can always go back. To what? she quit her job and sold or gave everything away to come to the USA.

mister_wizzz · VIP Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 559

surfguy · Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6996

Ok Paul and Wizz you guys offer very valid and true arguements...the fact is American women are equally beautiful as any other women in the world...women are in fact the same the world over. Ok as far as marriage and divorce goes...sorry to say but a women who divorces in the USA can stay as a permanent resident regardless of abuse or anything else. Once granted permanent residency...Women can stay as long as they want...makes no difference whether they are married or divorce. Yes the fat ugly truck driver has no chance at getting a woman any where. Let's face it...a good life is a good life regardless of where we live...and a shitty life is a shitty life regardless of where we live. Also here in the Ukraine U have seen some gorgeous women...and I have seen some real mutts. Not that I am a prize...but I will say this American women have a lot on so many of these girls...the main thing is that We have more opportunities in the states...male or female. Also we can live good lives for relatively cheap in places like Arizona...Wyoming, middle America etc. There are places where one can raise a family on the cheap...it's all a matter of what one wants...but at least we have it in the USA. And the rural areas still offer a lot of conveniences that rural areas in other parts of the world can not. The fact is we have it a lot easier in the USA than say in Russia. And the reason being is that Americans work and worked very hard to achieve this. The sad reality is that money attracts the younger women...power and status...attracts the younger women...and these are the wrong reasons for any women to be with a man. Truely the difference between the USA and these other countries is that we are far more multi cultural...when we have such a mix of races it's hard to see all the beautiful women here...as there are a lot of varieties. In Russia and Europe...from what I've seen is most people are white...there for it is easier to say there are so many gorgeous women here. I can honestly say this...San Diego has gorgeous women. New York and San Francisco...have gorgeous women...Miami beach has gorgeous women! In Russia more women dress sophisticated and put the make up on...just to go to the super market. I know the looks of 3 American women on this forum who are better naturally looking than so many of these european women. But I give credit to all women...and let's face it...there are beautiful women every where...after all a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman regardless of where she is from...and women all want the same thing...A good Man! And that perhaps is hard to find. Ok I have seen a few westeners with women here in Odesa...but not many...and most I have seen are not with any girls that I find attractive...and in SPB I didn't see it either...but I have heard that yes it is very common here...and in the summer time especially. I have to say though that using a agency or the internet is pathetic...but yes sometimes I am sure it can yield really good results...but the best way to meet anyone is to just let it happen...and by chance.

yorbcbud · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:48 am Post subject:

yorbcbud · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:20 am Post subject:

RusskiCanadian23 · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:50 am Post subject:

Since that appears the new subject of this thread:

Surfey, you were right when you said that Russian women like to dress in sophisticated way, but no, it doesn't come from "being a princess, as the French retard here said. Russian women just have a unique sence of style and fasion, actually not just Russian, I've seen Ukrainian chicks, and Polish ones too that are the same way. I guess they've learned it from their mothers, who, many of them, had to sew their own clothes (my mother, as an example, sewed a nightgown for herself out of a pair of my dad's old undershirts, when I was, I think, 12 or 13, and it looked beautiful too!). Severe need does sometimes make you learn things that people in a more affluent society, perhaps, wouldn't even think of. Why sew your own clothes, when you can buy them in any store? Same goes for their cooking skills. I remember when I first came to Canada and realised that one in three women here doesn't know how to broil a chicken! It shocked me at first, then I realised that here women don't have to cook as much, and as... hard, I guess, as Russian women do. Here, pre-cooked food is available everywhere: just put it in the microwave, 3 minutes and it's done... and then I remember Grandma, slaving in her kitchen all day long... Very Happy

Those are all important differences to consider...

Just my two cents.

nikir · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:30 am Post subject:

Do you think its a question of affluence or tradition?

I know my mother, aunts and sisters have always sewn, knitted and cooked a lot. No ready made meals for them. The closest they will come to that is bottled sauces if its Italian, Thai or Indian. Otherwise everything from scratch.

yorbcbud · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:44 am Post subject:

That's true pretty much every where. My Mother, and Grandmother are the same. And it was always about pinching pennies. In the old days, the families were large, and expensive to support. My family had nine in it. That's not a thing peculiar to Russia. All European families are like that. Mine is old Irish.
Tradition is when you do things for enjoyment. Like the old women used to do. Quilting, among other things. Or town dances. Or big meals. Generally clothes were made because it was the only way they could be afforded.

Paul Holmes · VIP Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 970

Give me convenience or give me death.

Russia has changed and you can see the pre package "food" everywhere and the elements that has made Russia a kind and beautiful place is leaving the country. The nursery rhymes tell about kindness and humility, but you see extreme greed and arrogance. When I became interest in Russia, it was the old Russia that I liked and remember stories of bravery and great kindness, but you see so much deception, greed, and blatant arrogant nationalism. My image of the country died.