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nikir · Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:13 pm Post subject:

Then your fucked anyway. That's life again!

jo jo 7 · Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject:

PavelUSA · Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject:

PavelUSA · Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:57 pm Post subject:

hext0r · Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: exchausive list

thanks PavelUSA and guys for such a complete list of links on the topic. Here is an another online english-russian translit converter which I can recommend as it's seldomly down, comparing to few others Smile

And yes, I bought the keyboard stickers too. Be a bit picky there as not all of them are good and can stand long usage.

Greets n cheers

PavelUSA · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:57 am Post subject:

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If you already got used to such tool, then it's fine, no one suggests you to switch to another BUT we should NOT recommend such tool to a person who is only starting to look for a Russian typing tool:

less and less people have a need to struggle with such tool - "converters" it's a BAD approach because
"guessing algorithm of converting several latin letters to one Russian"
is a way to nowhere Smile

- has serious problems and no solutions because of the nature of that approach.

Unlike system keyboard where it's clean situation -
ONE button produces one Russian letter and there is BIG advantage of

"same Russian letter got inputed using same single key - for each and every Russian word"

the tool which you pointed to has awful thing (easy to see) causing a user think about "word type" -
............... all the time! -
instead of thinking about the content of the messages

"converter" - because of the fact that several latin letters produce one Russian - has awful thing:

"same Russian letter must be inputed differently based on the 'type of word' Evil or Very Mad

:

a) In the words like "Pojti", latin 'j' can be used to input Russian 'й', but not in the words like "major" or "jod" -
and if a user does not catch that 'difference in the type of the word", s/he gets a gibberish ("ёд", "маёр)

b) In the words like "Vyjti", latin 'y' can be used to input Russian 'ы', but not in the words like "vyuchil" -
and if a user does not catch that 'difference in the type of the word", s/he gets a gibberish ("вючил")

c) In the words like "Poehal", latin 'h' can be used to input Russian 'х', but not in the words like "shodil" -
and if a user does not catch that 'difference in the type of the word", s/he gets a gibberish ("шодил")

etc.

There is no comparison between "last century", problematic method of "converting translit" and modern way of using - both on your own computer and in
Internet-cafe - the (problem-free) method of

************** system keyboard input

System keyboard at home can be used either with Standard Russian layout or with Phonetic layout, when A-A,O-O,Б-B,Д-D,Ф-F,К-K,... (see my previous message right before yours)

And same method of system input can be used outside of your home (why use different typing method at home and outside of home?) -

100% imitation of system keyboard input (though mouse works too) and with the same layout a person uses at home - Standard or Phonetic:

Kbd.RusWin.net

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PavelUSA · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:25 am Post subject:

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If you read Russian fluently, you may want to read the article about "translit converters" as a last century, outdated way of getting Cyrillic -
based on a factual data cited there:

http://RusWin.net/conv-bad.htm

Wink

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PavelUSA · Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:30 am Post subject:

PavelUSA · Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 10:33 am Post subject:

So - I know it by the facts from many-many people - users choose on of the two solutions (neither includes OSK):

1) If they want - for some reason - to use Standard Russian layout, then they buy stickers or even print out the image of the layout and have that piece of paper on the border of the screen

2) Other people do not see the need to learn 40+ new positions (in Standard Russian layout not only all 33 Russian letters are on "unusual" position for a person who got used to Latin typing, but also all punctuation marks - often used! - are on "unusual" positions -
comma, period, quotes, question marks, colon, et al

Thus they decide to write with another layout - known even back in 1997 and recommended for example on AATSEEL.org -

so called Phonetic/homophonic layout that lets a person whi knows Latin keyboard very well, type easily with "RU", too -
all punctuation marks are on the same place with "RU" as with "EN", majority of Russian letters - 26 of 33 - are also on the well known buttons:
A-A, O-O, E-E, K-K, T-T,...,:

More details: http://Phonetic.RusWin.net

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Now, above we talked about HOME computer (as you mentioned adding Russian via Control Panel - can not be done in a library or Internet-cafe).

What do to in the business center of a hotel or in a library if you need to type Russian?

Now a person does NOT need to use different methods to type at home and outside of the home - s/he can sit down in an Internet-cafe in London Very Happy

go to a Virtual Keyboard page and start typing at once, as /she got used to (at home):

- using regular keyboard (not mouse)
- using same layout (Standard or Phonetic) s/he uses at home

That is, full simulation of a regular "home typing with system keyboard":

http://Kbd.RusWin.net

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